'Foxes can't get to recycling bins so they eat our pets', says Sanderstead resident

“Wow, haven't been here for a while but talk about Overkill!

Also have to add that there is no way a fox has been killing cats, quiet frankly that is near impossible.”

“Very interesting points made by 'Sidsensible' and also 'Billy1961'. My heartfelt sympathy to the cats and their owners, but I DO NOT believe for one moment that foxes were responsible for any of this.

And 'Recfan'....if you have nothing constructive to add to this comments section, then perhaps it's time you made a permenant exit from here. For someone who now finds this thread so 'boring', you seem to have a very hard time staying away from it, Lol !!!”

“Well said sidsensible. No one is saying that Mr. Jefkins cat was NOT killed, all we are saying is that a FOX is NOT responsible. What I CANNOT get my head around is this. I am SURE Mr. Jefkins Cat would have SCREAMED, he would have gone running to his garden, also the neighbours would have HEARD something, but NO. I UNDERSTAND A BODY WAS FOUND, WAS THAT BODY TAKEN TOO BE EXAIMED TO FIND THE CAUSE OF DEATH. WHY DID THE FOX NOT TAKE THE CAT AWAY, RATHER THAN JUST LEAVE HER IN A NEARBY GARDEN. Like in Scotland Foxes were getting the blame for killing local Cats, as they found a few cat carcasses in a Foxes den. It turned out, they were in FACT, ROAD KILL. The Fox has every right, to take carrion. There would be NO cats left, where I live IF Foxes were Cat killers. They SURVIVE, when a few have been KILLED it has been out of control dogs, and SPEEDING CARS, that have been the Cat killers. There was plenty of witnesses. Thunderer7 you say the Fox was caught in the act, well NO it was NOT, because Mr. Jefkins was NOT there all the time,. Mr. Jefkins, who I do FEEL VERY SORRY AS I HAVE SEVERAL CATS, NEVER see the Fox chase his Cat, and take it, in it's mouth. There is a difference..”

“'Thunderer 7': I personally do not think Mr Jefkins was 'lying' about what he SAW, and have never said so. He saw what he did. I believe the point was more that he had witnessed the aftermath of whatever had happened to dear Jasmine, of which he NEVER did see.

Thank you for the link about the elderly cat that died, as this happened in Selsdon, the very area where residents feared for their cats' lives after a terrible spate of cat killings which were ALL found to be the work of HUMAN monstrosities, and who I believe were never found:
http://tinyurl.com/copa7cn

Obviously your link was dated in 2011, when the Tory fox propaganda machine was in full swing, hence Pickle's owner and the other lady, classic examples of the gullible, common herd, (suffering from a bout of amnesia too, along with the local press), who automatically assumed that foxes were responsible, with not a shred of evidence anywhere. It is more than likely that Pickles was another victim of these lowlife 'humans', as the circumstances of how he was found were very similar to the other cats killed by these madmen. (The foxes would have found the carcass.) Some suggested that Pickles could also have died of old age and the carcass found by foxes, as stated in the comments section.

As for the other link, the 'fox' no doubt, was an inqusitive and harmless youngster, smelling something in her hair and was startled when she moved, thus did this purely in defence; but does it not appear strange that she "shooed" the fox away, which meant she must have jumped up and faced him, surely using her arms/hands, yet he bit her, with his one tooth, on the back of her head ? One has to view these types of allegations with the suspicion they rightly deserve; a fisherman appeared in an article in the Telegraph and some other papers, saying he had been bitten by a 'fox' whilst resting on a boat; later when the bite marks were examined, it was said they resembled the teeth marks belonging to a mink. Two words, 'Filthy Lucre', come to mind here.

Well, everything has now been said by us all, and in the words similar to that of Mr Jefkins, we will have to agree to disagree about the cause of the tragic and untimely demise of the Sanderstead cats. And once again, my sincerest sympathy to them and their owners.”

“SimonsWisdom: "No point continuing if you have lost the argument" ?

No sir, if you had understood my comment, you would know that I meant there was no point in continuing because previously, the comment section had been inundated with support from Mr Jefkins personal friends/work colleagues and so was no longer impartial or a fair representation of public opinion. Also, I said a 'stalking human' would not necessarily be visible, and so not a concern to a fox. For example, just for the record, somebody with an airgun would be hiding behind an upstairs window of a neighbouring house. Plus, a passing fox would bring its find back through the garden, en route to its den/earth. Just saying.

There was no evidence WHATSOEVER to say any fox was responsible for the untimely demise of the other cats. It was alleged that all anyone had seen were the carcasses', with foxes in very close proximity. Any expert, and indeed any person that knows and understands fox behaviour, will tell you that when they stumble across a carcass, they will fight over it and become very vocal. This may give the impression that they were responsible for the death. As I mentioned before, to take a carcass is very normal behaviour for a wild animal (even tame), as it is an important food source for carnivores in most ecosystems.”

“20, I'm with you on this. But Can't resist looking ;/”

“i dont believe it at all. load of old rubbish”

“Jing_ping. Lol”

“I'm tired of looking at the mugshot of that fox every time I open this website.”

“there is another story here about a cat shot with an air rifle, is it possible the foxes are eating ones someone shot earlier?
Just because Foxes are Ginger, we can't just label them as untrustworthy sadistic weird copper top freaks that hide in daytime because they burst into flames like vampires, like Ginger Dave from the pub in Selsdon, the one with the Air Rifle”