Steve Reed and Andy Stranack trade blows ahead of Croydon Advertiser debate

“I managed to have a chat with Marisha Ray today, the Lib Dem candidate. Whilst I would not usually support that party she was very positive and upbeat. She didn't lower herself to throwing mud at other candidates or parties.”

“@GuyFawk:

We left the economy growing in 2010. Right Wing Politics wrecked it again. We're now looking at a possible triple-dip recession. You do the math.

Like the Right Wing Politics that wanted the Bankers free to do all sorts of crazy stuff. 2008 was bad enough without more of that coming in. You should be grateful it wasn't a Tory govt back then.”

“Re: Chris Wilcox

I am afraid your arguments typify why Labour is known as 'the Envy Reflex Party' completely unable to handle any economy debate but always on hand to cry.”

“@GuyFawk:

Labour will make the Rich pay up. We brought in the Bankers Bonus Tax and want it back. We like the idea of a Mansion Tax as well. And we brought you the 50p Tax Rate.

Pay attention 007...”

“Re: Chris Wilcox

Oh, the rich pay up for the harm they have done - really!

You mean Ed Milliband in his £2 million home, or do you mean Ed and Dave Milliband will apoligise and grovel to the nation for their apparent imaginative accounting which saw them inheriting their Marxist, yes don't die laughing, Marxist father's home without apparently paying the normal taxation expected to paid by the masses.

Do you also include Lord (sic) Prescott, Lord (sic) Mandelson and company in your 'rich will pay' list?

As for half a decade ago under Blair, you mean Blair, Brown, Milliband, Prescott, Mandelson etc etc etc.”

“@GuyFawk:

That was Blairism. That ended 4-5 years ago... Half a decade...

Since then we've been much more focussed on the Workers Utopia and a fairness where The Rich pay up for the harm they have done. And where The Poor knuckle down, study, and better themselves.

Can't see the problem myself.

The Rich can't leave ( well, most of them can't ), so we can Tax them and pile it into infrastructure. Of those that can leave it's easy enough to adjust Tax laws so that any money earned in this country is Taxed in this country no matter where they live. Hey presto, job's a good-un.”

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b. It is not unusual for local authorities to house and support hundreds of unaccompanied asylum seeking children at any one time who could easily be of questionable age. Why?
16. No control at our ports to control the import of drugs or firearms.
17. A hamstrung Police force which spends more time dealing with politically correct paperwork than catching criminals. It takes 6 months to serve an ASBO.
18. Involvement in more wars in such a short space of time than any other British Government. Remember the Liar Blair's word when he told the nation about 'peace in our time'.
19. The dumbing down in totality of the once world trusted BBC into the virtually disgraced rump now more often referred to as 'the anti-British Broadcasting Corporation'.
20. The destruction of families and family values where the single parent surviving on benefits is often the norm. But, now we have Jack Straw waking after 10 years from his sleep telling us he has identified this problem whereas for many we have been telling him and the Labour Government for the past 10 years.
21. The early release of foreign prisoners who should have been deported where half of them still remain unaccounted.
22. 6 weeks debating FOX HUNTING in the House of Commons but not one day to discuss the Iraq War!
23. The wanton destruction of the countryside.
24. Information from a National Statistics Office which conveniently usually supports the Governments view. Although as already mentioned the Government do not know how many people have entered and remain in the country. Also a recent TV documentary highlighted the situation in Slough where unapproved building takes place and it is not unusual to have 16 adults per household but in the NSO's eyes and the Government this does not exist. This situation can be seen elsewhere around the country.
a. Lies, damned lies and statistics from the NSO and/or Labour Government.
25. Skilled and experienced long-term British Nationals leaving this country in increasing numbers to be replaced by many street-sleepers and benefit claiming individuals.
26. The creation of a country where the minority rules but the majority pays. Where positive racial discrimination is encouraged over the best person for the job.
27. Where the media are now perceived as big a bunch of liars as this Labour Government. Remember, "It's a good day to release bad news."
28. Increased taxation. The new Labour slogan.' Taxation, taxation, taxation!'
29. A non-existent traffic Police force where driving without insurance, tax or driving licence has become an everyday event.
30. The apparent drive to prepare the Great British communist state for entry into the European Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
31. An anti-social behaviour and a gun culture previously unheard of in the UK.
32. "Education, education, education", which really meant; you can have the paperwork but you will have to come back again if you want to know what all of those letters and numbers on it mean - you want to be able to read as well!

I ask but one question, "Who voted for this Sugar Honey Iced Tea Enterprise house Labour Government and communist influenced Mayor of London who have jointly ensured the destruction of Great Britain into little Britain?"
You should be ashamed of yourself!'”

“Copied from the FT website blog in Feb 2008 or earlier, (part 1)

I sat and re-read this question recently and thought about what had actually changed since 1997. Rather than blindly start writing I began to list the point's one by one which resulted in the following list. It is not comprehensive by any mark but it makes depressing reading. I have to admit that as a result I have been thinking seriously about joining the exodus, from Great Britain, along with those who are apparently in despair of the Sugar Honey Iced Tea Excrement house British Labour Government.

1. More than one million16 – 24 year olds are classified as NEET's (no Education, Employment or Training) who survive on state benefits.
2. 10 million people are unemployed being the cumulative total of those classified as unemployed, on benefits or economically inactive.
3. Great Britain is the worst developed country to bring up children according to NSPCC.
4. Personal debt has reached record levels and is now probably un-repayable by many.
5. Private sector jobs continually disappear while private pensions for many have been destroyed.
6. Public sector jobs continue to increase and the public sector pension's costs have reached £700 billion and both are supported by the taxpayer. Is this a step towards total state control of GB?
7. The only private sector industry is Housing, Housing, bloddy Housing. (Housing has conveniently been removed from the RPI calculation.) This has created huge virtual wealth for the many leaving the many with huge payments to meet often by re-mortgaging assets.
8. Labour's manifesto pledged a referendum on the EU but it looks as though Gordon Brown knows best and we will take another step towards the European Union of Soviet Socialist Republics; and possibly Gordon's student day's communist ideal world?
9. The Human Rights act introduced by Labour has been proven to be a disaster on numerous occasions and once again in the case involving the murder of the School Headmaster, Mr Philip Lawrence, it has been highlighted to be a pathetically impractical piece of legislation providing no human rights for the injured party.
10. The Government has passed the buck with a number of difficult decision making situations, i.e. the MPC. It however always appears to be pulling the strings but can never be held directly accountable for decisions made.
11. Gordon's Golden Rule changes with the weather and he ensures it appears to be balanced by playing with what might be called his Enron Economics. He, for example, flattered the national accounts by disguising £65 billion in private finance initiatives which were for public infrastructure and services with a potential resulting cost of roughly 3 times this amount payable over the coming decades.
12. Only 125,000 from the roughly 6 million Scots pay more in tax than they receive in benefits. So who pays? The English do!
13. 66% of Northern Irelands GDP is supported by the taxpayer. So who pays? The English do!
14. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have their own decision making assemblies. In England, well London that is, we have only the incredulous Ken (Communist influenced) Livingstone Mayor of London and Leader of the Greater London Assembly. The English have become marginalised in totality. You might ask, 'Well what about the West Lothian question' and all you will hear from Gordon Brown and Labour will be, 'What about it!'
15. Absolutely no control over immigration (all politically correct categories included) where the Labour Government response has remained unchanged since 1997 no matter who has been Home Secretary, i.e. 'We do not know who or how many people are here!'
a. In 1997 there were approximately 100,000 Muslims in the UK now there are nearer to 3 million, why?
b. It is not unusual for local authorities to house and support hundreds of unaccompanied asylum seeking children at any one time who could easily be of questionable age. Why?”

“Re: Chris Wilcox.

Try reading financial information on the Institute of Fiscal Studies website and go back about 6 years and you will find data showing the horrendous national debt, yes I repeat debt and not (annual) deficit, incurred by the useless former Labour Government. PFI disasters, the looming Public Sector pension burden (which you should know is to be paid from future taxation) that doubles our already established debt nightmare. These are just two examples but there are many more.

Gordon (the moron) Brown just moved borrowings from one overloaded credit card to the next and if you would care to look across the Atlantic you can see that even the mighty USA has had to wake up and start paying off its' bills.

If we never have another Labour Government this century it will be too soon!”

“@GuyFawk:

Incorrect. Try again.

Before 2008, even with borrowing in a boom under Gordon Brown, our debt to GDP ratio dropped by about 7%. We WERE paying off.

We borrowed in a boom to create jobs. As The Private Sector, as of about 2003, had stopped spending. It was hoarding. Unemployment had begun to rise. So we invested in infrastructure. That's what that BSF money was...


Oh, and I'm not a Communist. But they were VERY brave to try. We can learn a lot from what worked and failed in The USSR.


@LiamFretwell:

He's only been on the job for 1 week, and like most politicians is a VERY busy man.

In 2.5 weeks he'll have learned the map. And, in plain english, he'll be in position for 2.5 years extending the Lambeth Job Creation scheme into North Croydon as well. So much resources and teamwork being brought to North Croydon must be a good thing.”