“It is obvious that there is something very wrong here and I will tell you that I wont be driving there until this is sorted.Goodness the council offices are a stones throw away!!”

“Negative, Kroydonistan. Calm down! Firstly, you didn't explain which direction or road your bus was travelling in. Were you heading East accross into Park Street or North towards wellesley road?
Secondly, I am simply explaining exactly how the phasing of that set of lights is set, and I know because I pass through them 10-20 times a night.
Once again, tonight, a car beside me went racing off through the red light because he was watching the wrong light.”

“DDD - I know what I saw. The light was changing from red to green as the bus was still going through the junction. I was not looking at the lights further up, nor the lights at the pedestrian crossing further up either. It was the lights that are supposedly protecting the junction my bus was travelling through. DDD you weren't there, so don't assume I didn't know what I was looking at.”

“Negative, Kroydonistan's comment about the light going green is correct. BUT - if the driver pulls away when he sees that light go green, he has been watching the further light and not the light closest to him, because HIS light stays red for another 5 seconds.
That said, at this part of the junction at the moment, the light closest to him on the drivers side has twisted to to an angle facing South East, and the colour cannot be seen. The second light on his right is faulty and not showing red, so he is relying on seeing the lights on the left side. However if a bus is to his left, that light could obscured, thus now mistakenly watching the furthest light - which is not his light.
The bus lane light is green for 1-2 seconds before it starts to change to red, however, there is no room for error or for somebody racing the lights (and both are common at this junction). This is even more of a concern being that it is only buses and taxis that are allowed to use that eastbound section.”

“I went through these lights this morning on a bus while it was green. The bus was travelling neither fast nor slowly, and I noticed out the window a light for traffic travelling in a different direction was changing down to green before the bus had had time to traverse the junction. Quite simply, this sounds like a case of Corporate Manslaughter by Croydon Council.”

“One other problem with these lights is that there is no all red phase. If you do get someone that goes after the lights have changed to red, and someone that goes as soon as the lights change, you will get a collision.”

“The phasing of these lights has been changed since the bus/tram accident, however, not neccessarely for the better. The key problem with these lights is that when you are heading Northbound on Park lane, there are two set of lights within about 30-40 feet of each other. The further of the two lights changes first - about 10 seconds before the nearer set. Drivers are often watching the wrong light, and therefore pull away from a red light.
There is also a similar set up at the Fairfield roundabout, again heading north. People often pull away having observed the second rather than the first light, driving straight into the path of traffic on the roundabout thinking its their right of way.
That is not to say that this is what caused this accident - but rather to make the point that there will be a serious accident unless the situation is addressed.”

“Ladies and Gentlemen,

Please bear in mind that this junction STILL has traffic lights that phase incorrectly, they can be green for vehicles travelling north-bound and south-bound at the same time.”

“Something HAS got to be done,but I think NOTHING is being done to stop the carnage at this back spot.
The lights have GOT to be replaced by SMART type lights in use on the continent especially Portugal and simillarily JAIL sentences given to light jumpers whatever the circumstances to protect law abiding motorists.I see light jumpers ALL the time.”

“@Negative, Kroydonistan:

Yes, this is the same location where the 468 bus and the Tram collided.

The driver of the van was crossing the same junction and using the same set of traffic lights as with the previous tragedy.

I hope the van drivers insurance company diligently investigate this accident, I truly hope that this time the faulty lights (that still operate at this location) can be exposed and that further loss of life can be prevented.

May the deceased rest in peace.”